THE BORG VS THE EMPIRE

  • SMACKDOWN POWER

  • TACTICS

  • BORG CUBE VS. DEATH STAR

  • BORG LACK OF KINETIC ENERGY SHIELD

    The Borg's main defense is their ability to adapt to the frequency of Star Trek weapons, rendering them useless after a few shots. The Federation has found ways around this by employing frequency modulating phasers, which slows the Borg down until they adapt to all the frequencies the weapon uses. Star Wars weapons aren't frequency dependant, and wouldn't be subject the Borg's special ability.

    However, the Borg's ability to adapt to even Trek weapons doesn't mean that they can adapt to weapons of all power levels, but this claim has been made by diehard VS Trekkies anyway. The limits to Borg adaptability is proven in several instances, starting with TNG's "Descent, Part 2", where a Borg ship is taken out by a phaser induced solar flare.

    Since stars have been around far longer than the Borg have, it doesn't stretch credulity to assume that they've certainly encountered a sun before "Descent, Part 2". In their entire existence, they've never managed to adapt to a sun's power, therefore, that kind of power level is too much for the Borg to handle. A typical Star Wars turbolaser is thousands of times more powerful than any solar flare.

    We have also seen Borg Cubes blasted to pieces by Species 8472 weapons, which were so powerful they overwhelmed the Borg's ability to adapt to them.

    After losing 400 cubes, they still had no defense and no apparent adaptation to the raw power from 8472 weaponry..

    And in Star Trek: First Contact after a sustained bombardment of Federation weaponry that the Borg have previously been shown to adapt to, that particular Borg's cube's energy grid was fluctuating from the damage it was receiving. This proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that any weapons power that is more powerful than the Borg's ability to adapt to it can destroy a Borg Cude.

    Trekkie

    Prove that Species 8472 weapons were based purely on energy levels. If they were, then how did Voyager survive being hit by one? It only makes sense if their weapons were specifically configured for Borg.

    No, Voyager shield bubble was grazed by 8472's energy weapon, not the ship itself, and it only tapped them for a split-second.

    Trekkie

    If you want to continue to push your "overwhelming power" theory, then why didn't the starships at Wolf 359 (TNG: "The Best Of Both Worlds) have any effect on a Borg Cube, but the ones in ST:FC did?

    Easy—Starfleet simply didn't have enough firepower at Wolf 359. If you recall from watching the show, Starfleet made many significant advances in its weaponry after the initial meeting with the Borg because they were worried about the inevitable confrontation to come. The very existence of the Defiant proves this. They greatly increased the firepower of Federation phasers and introduced quantum torpedoes. There were also more ships attacking in ST:FC. The protracted battle probably cost Starfleet many ships offscreen; we didn't actually see any of the battle until the Enterprise-E showed up, which was hours after the battle was joined).

    Trekkie

    Using just phasers, the Enterprise-D destroyed at least 40% of the mass of the Borg cube in "Q Who?" which is probably more dense than the Death Star and definitely more dense than an ISD or SSD.

    Mr. Poe

    A Borg cube is nothing more than a jumble of pipes and ducting!


    (Click icon to view image) Closeup of a Borg Cube.

    Trekkie

    Considering the size difference between the 600+ meter Enterprise-D, the Borg Cube was at least 1-1.5 km on one side, and had a volume far greater than the 1.6km long ISD, regardless of the density. Such an array against an ISD would probably destroy a significant portion of the ship (greater than 40%).

    Again, a Star Destroyer's hull isn't an evenly spaced conglomeration of metal like a Borg cude. A Star Destroyer's hull has to stand up to firepower similar to what it can deliver, and what it can deliver would completely destroy the Enterprise-D. Check out the "Weapons of Mass Destruction" page for details.

    As for the size of the Borg cube, Cinefex #69 deals with the FX on Star Trek: First Contact. Here's the passage that details how big the Borg cubeship is supposed to be:

    Page 106:

    "As the Enterpise warp-speeds homeward, a fleet of would be defenders encounters the Borg ship - a two-mile-long cube in space that is decidedly nonaerodynamic in appearance."

    Trekkie

    If Cinefex is correct on the Borg cube size, then that would make the Borg sphere at least a kilometer in diameter! If that's the case, it would hurt the SW side since this is canon proof that four quantum torpedoes can easily destroy a 1km ship!

    Those four quantum torpedoes penetrated the outer shell of the Borg sphere, and exploded inside. There was a half-second delay before anything happened, and then the sphere blew up in a slow, unimpressive explosion. The time delay indicates that the quantum torpedo explosions were insufficient to destroy the sphere through raw energy release, but they damaged its internals enough to make it explode on its own accord. Just like virtually every other instance when a ship explodes in Star Trek. Borg ships aren't that tough to begin with—we saw Cubes disabled by an ion storm in VOY's "Unity" and "Dark Horizon", and we saw one obliterated by a solar prominence in TNG's "Descent part 2." To use 4 quantum torpedoes against the Borg sphere demonstrates how weak these torpedoes actually are.

    The Borg fire what look to be multiple torpedo-like weapons at the launch site of the Phoenix to kill Zefram Cochrane. Multiple strikes blow up a few shacks and start some fires, and little else. Pretty lame demonstration of firepower. Remember, the Borg were there to kill Cochrane and destroy the Phoenix!

    Since the Borg bothered with the Timeship-Backup-Plan in the first place, it is highly unlikely that the Timeship had weaponry any weaker than, say, a Miranda-Class Starship. And if the Borg could have done this kind of damage (which any 95 year old Starfleet ship can do) then they WOULD have. They don't believe in warning shots. They don't believe in fair chances. As they would say, Sportsmanship is irrelevent.

    SMACKDOWN POWER

    The Borg showed what they can do against enemies with planet-busting abilities: jack shit. The Empire would roll over them effortlessly.

    Trekkie

    8472's ability to destroy planets means nothing. Their main strength against the Borg was that they could resist assimilation.

    And they could blow them up easily. Their ability to resist the nanoprobes would have been useless if they didn't possess the weapons technology to defeat the Borg in combat. Star Destroyers are far more powerful than Federation starships, and it only took 20 Fed starships to blow up a Borg cube in First Contact. Borg cubes couldn't even survive an exploding planet that was destroyed by Species 8472.

    If we assume that a Borg Cube's shields are 50 times more powerful than a Galaxy-class starship, a Borg Cube could withstand a steady-state bombardment of 500 TW, and a total energy bombardment of 140,000 TJ (that's based on the 10TW and 2800TJ limits for the Enterprise-D's metaphasic shields from "I, Borg"). Pretty impressive for ST technology—too bad for the Borg that even a Clone Wars-era Acclamator troop transport has 837,200,000TJ TL cannons, a single Star Destroyer carries more than 64 of these cannons, and the Death Star carried THOUSANDS of 25000TW TL cannons! A single full salvo from a Star Destroyer's turbolaser compliment carries at least 150,000 TJ, a power level of approximately 1.5 million TW. Easily enough to overwhelm Borg shields.

    TACTICS

    Trekkie

    The Borg act quite intelligently - from their point of view. Lone humans can't hurt the collective unless they are in sensitive areas, and therefore are irrelevant.

    No, the Borg THINK that lone humanoids can't hurt the collective. They have been proven wrong in this regard multiple times. Shelby's away team in "The Best Of Both Worlds" was able to knock a Cube out of warp! And as far as "careless" goes—they don't even keep a lookout! They don't raise shields until after they are shot at. They don't realize that people holding guns are an obstruction and should be dealt with until AFTER they lose drones. And after this happens, the NEXT batch of drones KEEPS ignoring the same people until THEY lose drones too! They march through life like blind zombies who can't even perceive anything until after it clubs them over the head with a bat-leth. They have less tactical ability than a chimpanzee. (Chimpanzees have evolved sentries, tribal warfare, guerrilla raids, sneak attacks, ambushes, and even domestic terrorism.)

    The Borg apparently haven't invented a shield that stops transporters, either. In TNG: "Q Who?" and "The Best Of Both Worlds", boarding parties were able to beam aboard a Cube easily. Transporters can be used as weapons, and a shield that can't stop transporters is useless. Either the Borg have useless shields, or the Borg simply weren't using them (in a combat situation) when Worf and Data transported aboard. Data and Worf's rescue of Locutus/Picard was an instrumental part of the Borg's defeat in "BOBW". If the Borg had acted with any basic caution at all, they wouldn't have been defeated. Friggin' PRIMATES have better tactics than this!

    Trekkie

    That is not tactics. The Borg are arrogant, true, but that does not mean they are stupid.

    Mr. Poe

    The Borg have repeatedly lost due to misjudgements that a drunk monkey wouldn't make, but that doesn't mean they are stupid?

    Trekkie

    Nope. They have a clear disdain for humans and consider them unworthy of attention when they aren't attacking. The Borg didn't detect the shuttle's actions as an attack. They didn't consider Locutus's abduction a problem (otherwise they would have went back for him). They considered it a stupid and ultimately futile emotional attempt to free Picard5mash;not an attack. Therefore it was irrelevant.

    Mr. Poe

    Military history is full of examples of one side holding the enemy in utter contempt. In those instances, that side got its ass handed to them. As a result, that side had the historical verdict of "DUMBASS" stamped on its forehead.


    The Borg fail to draw upon past experience to help prevent future losses, but that doesn't mean that they are stupid.

    Trekkie

    Mind telling me exactly what definition of the word "stupid" you are using? 'Cause it damn sure ain't the same one everyone else uses.

    Mr. Poe

    Stupid: 1 a: slow of mind : obtuse

    Trekkie

    Nope. The Borg are quite smart, and can figure out stuff quite quickly.

    Mr. Poe

    Oh suuuuuure they can. At the beginning of "First Contact", Borg drones die due to being snuck up on by humans. At the end of "First Contact",... Borg drones die due to being snuck up on by humans. Anybody who can't learn to even look over his own shoulder once in a while—and that's AFTER over a dozen fellow units have died via ambush—is, by the definition given above, obtuse.

    Stupid: b: given to unintelligent decisions or acts: acting in an unintelligent or careless manner.

    Trekkie

    If the Empire attacked a Borg cube, the Borg would just beam over an assimilate the bridge.

    Mr. Poe

    How would they get past the shield? We've never witnessed Borg drones transport to a ship during combat ONCE. In First Contact, they transported to the Enterprise-E as an escape measure when their sphere was destroyed. This happened again in VOY: "Scorpion". During the battle with the cube in FC, not one drone left home. In "BOBW", not one drone left home. When the cube was actively pursuing the E-D in "Q Who?", not one drone left home. In battle situations, Borg drones have never transported.

    Trekkie

    In 'Q-Who?' Q was playing a game and probably made sure the drones didn't transport on board.

    Mr. Poe

    Before the combat incident began, he allowed several Borg to beam aboard the E-D without interfering. During combat, not one drone left home.

    Trekkie

    The Borg threatened to beam over to Voyager in "Scorpion" but it was only a bluff.

    Mr. Poe

    That wasn't during combat. During combat, not one drone left home. Remember, instead of sending down ground teams to kill Zefram Cochrane, they bombarded from orbit. Most tactically competent armies realize that if your mission is to kill one man, it helps if you actually go down and confirm the presence of a body.

    Trekkie

    Nope. Their mission was to stop first contact between humans and Vulcans.

    Mr. Poe

    Oh, well in THAT case, the most logical plan would have been to go over and vaporize the Vulcan scoutship. Something else they didn't do.

    Trekkie

    Yes, because until the final scene they didn't have control of the E-E's weapons. Also, the Vulcan ship wasn't around when the Borg scout ship appeared.

    Mr. Poe

    The Borg scoutship was a TIME MACHINE, remember? Hello? Think McFly, THINK! They can pick any moment in time they want! Why didn't they just pick the moment when the Vulcan scoutship flew toward Earth and kill it themselves in space? For that matter, why didn't they just wait for Cochrane to launch and then shoot him themselves with their own Borg-ship? Why didn't they go back in time and contact the Borg of the 21st century? The Borg have all the tactical sense of drunken longshoremen.

    Trekkie

    If that person is trying to kill the enemy, or even cares about him, then you are right. However, since the Feds were almost impotent against the Borg, you are wrong.

    Mr. Poe

    The Feds weren't "impotent". They WON!

    Trekkie

    They won only because Data betrayed them - that was their only miscalculation.

    Mr. Poe

    Wrong again. If the Borg had guarded the deflector dish with tactics that even Earth baboons know how to use, it wouldn't have mattered if Data killed the Queen. The Delta Quadrant Borg would have been called to the Alpha Quadrant even after the scoutship had died.

    Trekkie

    In fact, the Borg collective didn't make that mistake- the Queen made it.

    Mr. Poe

    You've just admitted that the Borg race is ruled by an idiot. In the movie, the Queen says: "I am the Collective." The Borg have consistently failed to assimilate the Alpha Quadrant. Yet every time they come back, they show NO desire to learn from their past mistakes. The Borg's record against Starfleet is one of continual failure.

    Once an Star Destroyer destroyed a Borg Cube, any Imperial citizens unlucky enough to be assimilated would all turn off, revert to normal, die, or have a nervous breakdown when the ship was destroyed.

    Trekkie

    We've seen Borg ships destroyed, and the drones still functioned.

    Mr. Poe

    Each time that happened, the disconnected Borg stopped obeying the collective.

  • -Seven became more human and less Borg in only a handful of episodes, and she was Borg since the age of 8. The only time she tried to rejoin the Collective was when outside forces maipulated her through her remaining implants.

  • -Locutis stopped fighting and quickly reverted to normal (TNG: "TBBW")
  • -Hugh wanted to become more human(I, Borg)
  • -The Borg that Chakotay met formed a new society (VOY: "Unity")
  • -The Borg with Lore formed a new society(TNG: Descent)
  • -The Borg in FC just died.

    Every recently assimilated person on Earth would probably return to normal (like Locutis did). And the rest of the Borg would either stop functioning or go their own way.

  • As a matter of fact, the Borg have failed to demonstrated anything that could be labeled a "tactic". Here's a full list of OBVIOUS military tactics that the Borg have historically ignored:

  • 1) Keeping the shields up when a hostile starship is nearby

  • 2) Not letting strange shuttles waltz right up to your hull and transport people aboard.

  • 3) Killing intruders who transport aboard, instead of just letting them walk around inside screwing with shit at will.

  • 4) Not having everyone on board sleep at the same time, but instead having the various watch sections sleep in shifts. Every military force can understand the concept of a "watch bill"... everyone except the Borg, apparently.

  • 5) Shooting the shuttle the intruders came from before they transport back. In short, preventing prisoner escapes.

  • 6) Putting Kevlar armor on the Borg drones

  • 7) Arming drones and having them shoot when they first see Starfleet Security personnel beam aboard holding phaser rifles, instead of waiting to be shot first. The threat recognition capacity of a Borg drone seems to be worse than that of the zombies in "Dawn Of The Dead". If you're too dumb to shoot an enemy soldier with a gun when you first see him, but just turn your back on him and slowly march away, you are an IMBECILE.

  • 8) When the mission is to kill one man at a defined ground site (Zefam Cochrane), either nuking the entire grid square with weapons of mass destruction or transporting a ground assault team of combat drones with specific orders to find Cochrane and tear his head off and confirm the kill would be in order. Instead, an ineffectual bombardment from orbit with weapons obviously set to the weakest power setting imaginable was implemented in First Contact

  • 9) When standing around on a starship hull protecting a vital deflector dish, having at least one Borg drone actually looking outward instead of all looking inward, so as to see any Starfleet personnel who might happen to be spacewalking towards you, OUT IN THE OPEN, while holding knives and guns. In short, posting sentries, which is such an ancient military tactic that even the Sumerians knew it! But the Borg manifestly don't know it.

  • 10) Time-traveling back while outside Earth's local space, and then warping over to Earth and having your way with it unopposed. Instead, the Borg flew straight into the middle of TNG-era Earth's defensive grid, and had their cube destroyed. Did they learn their lesson then? Nope. Instead, they time-jumping back while the Enterprise was close enough to follow. In short, the Borg are unaware of the tactic of sneaking up on the enemy. A tactic which is as old as Neanderthals.

  • 11) Using the "Picard Maneuver" in combat once in a while instead of just parking their cube in the middle of a space battle and getting shot at while shooting back. They assimilated the guy who invented the "Picard Maneuver", they should know it by now!

    BORG CUBE VS. DEATH STAR

    VS Trekkies claim that the Borg could assimilate a Death Star, by capturing Death Star plans..."somewhere", and studying them. However, as The Doctor explained on Voyager, the Borg don't investigate, they assimilate. But there's nothing the Borg can do against the raw power of a Death Star, even if they had a blueprint of one, or assimilated Death Star personnel. Remember, if they could deflect INFINITE energy, they wouldn't need blueprints, and they would have been able to stop Species 8472. If they could deflect INFINITE energy, exploding planets, solar flares, and Starfleet in First Contact wouldn't destroy them.

    Trekkie

    But Starfleet wasn't very effective were they? The Borg cube was hardly damaged at all, the only thing that saved them was Picard knowing the weak spot.

    Mr. Poe

    You apparently have severe amnesia. They were damaged so heavily that their internal power grid was fluctuating. Go watch the movie, and pay attention this time. If the Borg were stupid enogh to attack the Death Star, the Imperials would lock a tractor beam on the cube and blast away.

    Trekkie

    The Borg could emit jamming signals to prevent locking. Also, in the time it takes to destroy 3 cubes, several Borg could beam over and begin assimilating.

    Mr. Poe

    The Borg could jam the Imperial tractor beams? They've never demonstrated an ability to jam any other civilization's tractor beams. Also, the Death Star's thousands of heavy surface turbolasers would obliterate hundreds of Borg cubes at once, even without using the Superlaser.

    Trekkie

    The Borg would merely stay away from the Death Star's Superlaser and blast the station to pieces. The Death Star can turn at most in a minute or so. Well, lets be generous and say 30 seconds. The Borg cube, on the other hand, can move at c or more - it can make several thousand revolutions around the DS in that time.

    Mr. Poe

    Uh, right. Where has the Borg demonstrated warp strafing a sublight target? That's right...nowhere, just like every other race in Star Trek. Remember, they didn't even try this with 8472! And the Borg have never maneuvered or evaded enemy fire.

    Here's what the Borg have to look forward to once they board the Death Star and try to assimilate it:

    The Death Star (In ANH) has a surface area of 321,699 square km with a diameter of 160km. If all the Death Star's personnel were only on the surface, there would less than 4 people per square km. If we say that the Death Star has a population density of 350 persons per square km, (about the same as the state of New Jersey,) then with a diameter of 160km, it would have a population of 110,664,456. And that's only if people lived on the surface. If we're talking about the Death Star 2, with a diameter of 900km and a surface area of 8,042,470 square km, and had the same population density, then it would have a population of 2,814,864,500. If the DS2 had a population density of 5,500 persons per square km, (about the same as Hong Kong) then it would have a total population of 44,233,585,000. That's around 7 times the population of Earth, and that's only if everyone lived on the DS2's surface.

    On a side note, if the Borg managed to board the DS2 and started assimilating at a rate of 10 people per second, it would take them 140 years to finish the job.

    BORG LACK OF KINETIC ENERGY SHIELDS

    Trekkie

    A Borg drone would easily kill a shipload of stormtroopers. With its adaptive shield, the stormtrooprs wouldn't be able to touch him.

    Mr. Poe

    Borg drones are slower than zombies. Stormtroopers could walk up behind them and smash 'em in the head, like Worf did in "First Contact." Or they could use flechette launchers or any number of ballistic weaponry against them.

    Trekkie

    The Borg have kinetic energy shielding too, so think again.

    Mr. Poe

    And what is your proof of this ridiculous claim? They have never shown such a shield onscreen. They had their Borg asses handed to them in "First Contact."

    Trekkie

    You don't have to have a scientific mindset to see that....

    1) First attack, Borg was killed with one hit.
    2) Second attack, Borg was killed with two hits.
    3) Third attack, Borg wasn't killed but killed attacker.

    It is a matter of having vision and seeing what is on screen. Warsies are blind to the facts when it comes to ST, I recognize that is a disability that Warsies will probably never overcome.

    Mr. Poe

    No, you see adaptation where everyone else sees the random nature of combat, and you conveniently ignore things which you don't want to know about:

    1) Borg killed by physical impact (Worf).
    2) Borg killed with physical impact (Worf).
    3) Puny Fed ensign fails to kill a Borg drone.
    4) Borg killed with physical impacts (bullets).
    5) Borg killed with physical impacts (bullets).
    6) Borg killed with a physical impact (knife).

    That's 1 out of 5, from "First Contact."—hardly a stellar record. And the lone win was in the middle of the sequence, against a puny redshirt. You call that adaptation? I call that the pathetic argument of a desperate Trekkie.

    Trekkie

    Worf kills a Borg with one hit from the butt of his rifle. The next time, Worf had to hit the drone twice with the butt of his rifle.

    Mr. Poe

    No forcefield, no damping field, no flash of energy. The Borg took the full force of the blow, with no defensive shield in evidence. The fact that one Borg drone might have more of a glass jaw than the next is hardly proof of adaptation.

    Trekkie

    The next attack on a drone with the butt of a rifle resulted in the persons death. The drone didn't even slow down.

    Mr. Poe

    It was a no-name ensign. No-name Star Trek ensigns can get their asses kicked by tribbles.

    Trekkie

    So it took two kills and then adapted.

    Mr. Poe

    So how come the Borg outside were totally vulnerable to Worf's blade weapon, if they had adapted to physical impacts by then? We saw Picard kill two drones with a tommy gun. We never saw one adapt. Ever. Did you see an energy shield to block the blow? I didn't, and neither did anyone else.

    Trekkie

    Worf only killed one with his blade....but, the first time he cut through the arm with little effort. The next blow didn't penetrate the Borg suit. The last strike took all of Worf energy and it barely went into the drone. He would have cut a human in half.

    Mr. Poe

    First of all, it's much easier to cut through an arm than a chest.

    Secondly, we have never seen a human being cut in half by a Klingon blade weapon. When Worf kills Duras in TNG: "Reunion", he swings his bat'leth down with full force, and only succeeds in sticking about six inches of blade in Duras' chest. Why wasn't he bisected?

    Trekkie

    The reason that the Borg can't produce forcefields to block punches and held knives is that there is too much KE to dissipate, the momentum of the weapon has to go somewhere, and would act on the Borg, because it is the Borg that is housing the forcefield generator that is providing the force that acts on the weapon. This is known as conservation of momentum.

    The KE of a bullet is low enough to be effectivly dissipated by a forcefield, but the effects of hand to hand combat can not be dissipated because the area they would be dissipated accross is not much larger than the area they would otherwise act upon, hence there is no point.

    A 7.62mm FMJ bullet fired from an assault rifle, has 2100 joules of muzzle energy and 2100 feet per second of muzzle velocity. This is more than equivalent to a 20lb weight being dropped on a human from the third floor of an apartment building. A human can't elbow someone in the face with more force than that falling a 20lb weight. Assault rifle bullets punch holes in car doors and travel through brick walls, and can knock a 200 lb man on his ass, knock the wind out of him, and possibly even break a rib through a bulletproof vest.

    In VOY: "Scorpion", an 8472 alien mangled a rather large pile of drones. We see it using its claws and whacking the shit out of the Borg. The Borg did NOT adapt to this, even though they were subjected to it multiple times! This quite obviously confirms that the Borg are vulnerable to KE attack.

    If you shot a Borg drone out into space and hit him with a photon torpedo, would the other drones be immune to photon torpedoes? The "infinite adaptation" argument is stupid.

    Let's look at most of the Borg appearances in Star Trek, and their experiences with K.E. attacks:

    TNG: "Q Who?": One ensign gets tossed into a bulkhead when he tries to apprehend a drone. No KE shield is seen.

    Nope, no KE shield here...

    TNG: "The Best of Both Worlds, I & II": When Borg board the ship to abduct Picard, Worf shoots one. Another one appears to the left; Worf's phaser does't work on it, so Riker jumps at it. No forcefield appears—the drone just shoves Riker aside like a rag doll. Then the drone does the same to Worf.

    Hmmm...No KE shield here either...
    Worf gets smacked by a palm, not a KE shield.

    Later, after Picard becomes Locutus: Worf and Data are in the cube (who BTW got inside there by flying a shuttle through the cube's shields) trying to rescue Locutus. Worf wrestles with him, in direct contact until Data switches something on Picard's neck, knocking him out.

    Worf and Locutus doing the Tango...
    but the KE shield ain't cuttin' in.

    Near the end, Riker thinks all is lost and orders the Enterprise onto a collision course with the cube—apparently believing the Borg shields couldn't prevent the impact. (Given that a shuttle made through the shields earlier, and enough KE attacks have occured before then that the Borg should have adapted if they could have, I'd agree with him.) Fortunately, he didn't have to carry out that order.

    TNG:"I, Borg": not really any KE attacks here, just the scene with Hugh where he touches the forcefield of his cell, and gets knocked back a little. At least this proves that separate drones can't adapt through forcefields, because if he could he'd just hit the field repeatedly until he passed through it (unless you consider that Hugh didn't have the resources of the then-apart-from-Collective, but that's debatable).

    TNG: "Descent, I & II": Data bops one drone on the head, then snaps the neck of another.

    Bonk Bonk on the head! Still no KE shield
    "If this is a consular's ship, where's the
    KE shield?"

    Picard disables the 'jailer'-drone by just pulling out what appears to be one of the drone's vital cables- probably a power conduit or something. Again, no personal shield prevents the attack.

    Yoink! No KE shield. D'oh!

    Star Trek: First Contact: So many examples, so little bandwidth. Worf hits at least two drones with the butt of his phaser rifle.

    Worf pistol-whips a Borg.
    Guess what's missing?
    "You die with dishonor...
    AND with no KE shield!"

    Data snaps one of their necks with his bare hands. Then he picks up a dead body and throws it at three other Borg.

    Data the chiropractor says,
    "I recommend a KE shield!"
    Data's Borg missile hits other Borg...
    but no KE shields!

    Ensign Deadman Walking hits a Borg...
    but not a KE shield!

    In the holodeck Picard swiss-cheeses two drones with a tommygun.

    This scene reminds me of the movie
    "Platoon"...
    ...Willem Dafoe didn't have a KE shield, either.

    DATA however, could withstand bullets easily. Go figure. Later in Engineering, Data kicks three Borg asses during his escape.

    "Hello? McFly? Where's your KE shield?"
    "No shirt, no KE shield...
    No service!"

    Open chest! (A KE shield would have prevented that!)

    Meanwhile, on the deflector dish, Worf slices-n-dices a drone with his mek'leth.

    Strike one!

    Strike two!

    Strike three! Yerrrrrout!

    And they've assimilated Klingons before - yet Worf's knife seemed to do a rather good job on them. Near the end, Picard orders the crew to fight with their bare hands when phasers fail. Since Picard has the most detailed knowledge of the Borg next to Seven, I'd say he knows what he's talking about. Finally, at the end, Data pulls the Queen off Picard with his bare hands. The Queen and every other Borg dies by exposure to plasma coolant. No KE shields throughout the whole movie.

    The last one is the most important: plasma coolant is NOT pure energy. Physical plasma coolant is merely ionized gas. Since they could not shield against the coolant, we can deduce several things:

    1) They can't shield against the physical impact of matter, even if they know full well what it is. The Borg queen saw the plasma coolant, knew exactly what it was, and had quite a bit of time to formulate a defense, yet she was almost instantly destroyed by the coolant when she fell into it. What happened to the all-powerful Borg adaptation ability?

    2) Since SW blasters fire plasma according to the SWVD, they will punch through Borg shields as if they aren't there. With his trusty DL-44 heavy blaster pistol, Han Solo could singlehandedly mow down Borg drones like John Rambo cutting through a bunch of peace protesters. A squad of stormtroopers with an E-Web heavy repeating tripod blaster could obliterate countless drones, until they run out of ammunition.

    The Borg queen's death scene is eloquent proof that SW blasters will easily kill Borg drones, and that the Borg cannot adapt to it (not only did the Borg queen know exactly what it was, but several Borg drones were killed before she fell in and their deaths did not give her any amazing new ability to survive the coolant).

    While they're on Earth, Barclay pulls up a piece of copper tubing (Laforge confirms its basic nature verbally as "copper tubing"), which is going to be used as a "plasma conduit" in Cochrane's primitive warp ship. The stuff that WE call "plasma" would never be safely contained in simple copper tubing; it would eat through the tubing almost instantly. Granted, this was plasma on the Phoenix rather than plasma on the Enterprise, but it indicates that very high-energy plasma is not necessary for warp propulsion in general.

    4) The plasma coolant in the storage tanks was not active warp core plasma; that stuff travels through the conduits leading in and out of the warp core, while this stuff was obviously just in storage.

    So we have absolute canon evidence that SUB-COOLED plasma can easily kill Borg drones. Therefore, high-energy plasma (eg. from a SW blaster) will very EASILY be able to kill Borg drones. And they won't be able to adapt!

    Now to Voyager. In "Unity", where Chakotay meets the colony of disconnected Borg; this episode is a good arguement that a drone needs the Collective to adapt (along with all episodes with Seven): the Borg factions are firing energy weapons at each other- if they could still adapt, energy weapons would be irrelevant.

    VOY:"Scorpion, I & II": is yet another excellent example of Borg not-adapting to KE—the big pile of dismembered drones on the cube fragment shows how many opportunities they had to adapt, yet couldn't.

    VGR's "Prey": no Borg here, but it shows that Species 8472 isn't immune to forcefields. Out of all these encounters with KE attacks (and these are just the ones we've seen), you'd think the Borg would've adapted to them by now. Obviously, either the Borg cannot adapt to KE attacks; or they don't believe it's worth the time and energy necessary to protect the expendable drones. The latter view is supported by Seven Of Nine, who on a few occasions noted that the Borg consider individual drones' deaths acceptable losses to the Collective, because they can always assimilate more.

    1: The Borg adapt by either assimilation OR sheer experience. We saw them re-adapt to things like phasers using the latter method.

    2: Therefore, prolonged exposure to a weapon of the SAME type and frequency SHOULD give them enough experience to adapt. Example: The phaser rifles in "First Contact".

    3: The Species 8472 aboard the Borg Cube bitch-slapped a large pile of Borg, and since we saw no other weapons we assume it was its claws. Look at how many Borg in the pile. THAT is the number of 'experiences' the Borg has to adapt.

    4: Given that they only needed one or two exposures to adapt to a complex energy weapon, simple claws should take that long if not less.

    5: The Borg did NOT adapt to the Species 8472 claws in any way, shape or form. This backs up EVERYTHING we know about the Borg and KE Attacks—they can't adapt to them. Every single instance where they have been exposed to KE, they have died or have been hurt.

    Logical Conclusion: The Borg cannot adapt to KE attacks. QE motherfuckin' D.

    Trekkie

    The Borg DO have KE shielding, because VOY:"Drone" proves it.

    Mr. Poe

    One was mostly based on the Doctor's 29th-century emitter. He did have some of Seven's heritage, however, he obviously didn't get KE shielding from her, since everyone seemed quite surprised when they couldn't poke him.

    Trekkie

    The KE shield One had wasn't in the 29th century holoemitter, so it had to come from Seven of Nine.

    Mr. Poe

    Wrong. Where did the personal transporter come from? Seven doesn't have one, and neither does the 29th-century holoemitter. Obviously, a lot of "new" technology was forged. Show one episode where Seven had KE shields—or when either the emitter or Seven had a personal transporter.


    Special Thanks

    Brian Young for Acclamator troop transport info

    Trekpulse.com for various screencaps

    "Bounty" for the "Willem Dafoe Borg" picture